What branch of Judaism is “Non-Messianic Judaism”?

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What branch of Judaism is “Non-Messianic Judaism”?

What is going on with the thumbs downs? If there are Jews who call themself “Non-Messianic Jews”, then why don’t they answer?

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Answer by Ambivalent LAUreate
That’s not really a question that’s possible to answer, because the term ‘non-Messianic Judaism’ doesn’t have any meaning. All Jews hold out a hope for a coming messiah or messianic age. I have only ever seen the term used by some so-called “Messianic Jews” who are not, of course, actually Jews, as part of their attempt to claim that they are a branch of Judaism and so they distinguish between “messianic” and “non-messianic” Judaism. In reality, there are Jews (of various branches including Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Reform, Conservative, Masorti, Liberal etc) and there are people whose beliefs are not Jewish.

EDIT: Oh, look!! Four thumbs downs for each of us first three answerers who all agree. I wonder who on earth those could have come from? [NB heavy sarcasm]

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Written by Neil5624 about 5 months ago.

All of them except for the Messianic Jews. But then, they are not Jews, but Christianity in disguise.

Verily I say unto thee, the Jesus story is a myth.

Rev. Neil
Written by Kevin7 about 5 months ago.

Messianic Jews are not Jews at all. They are just a group that tries to convert Jews to Christianity
Written by Suckels Clown of Righteousness about 5 months ago.

Non Messianic is not a branch it is a group of many branches. The other branches within this group are a sub set with in the Non Messianic group.

There are two kinds of Jews. Jews that believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Jews that don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah. The non Messianic Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and the Messianic ones do. The non Messianic Jews include Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Beta Israel, Karaites and Donmeh. There are also Jews called Jewiches (Wiccan Jews) and Jewbus (Buddhist Jews).

Strangely, some Non Messianic Jews insist in defining Messianic Judaism as a form of Christianity. This way they can claim that they are following another religion. They also tell you that only Jews get to decide who Jews are. In the same breath they tell you who Christians are. In this way they get to define Christianity yet and at the same time Christians don’t have a right to decide who Christians are.

Some have said that that Judaism is a Messianic religion and that all Jews are Messianic but this has only come about since the incredible popularity of the Messianic movement. So some non Messianic Jews appear to be trying to steal the Messianic name.

Non Jews don’t believe that Messianic Jews are Christians. The problem is people calling themselves Messianic Jews are as diverse in beliefs and practices as Non Messianic Jews, so it’s hard to pin down universal beliefs that some here insist that they have.

A person becomes a Jew by being born of a Jewish mother or converting to Judaism. Once a person is a Jew they are always a Jew.

There is one exception for is belief that Jesus is the Messiah. Jews will tell you that Messianic Jews have joined another religion the moment they start believing he is the Messiah.

At the same time you have Jews practicing Paganism (Jewitch), becoming Buddhists (Jewbu) and joining the Unitarian Church and they will say that they are still Jews. Yet you will never see any complaints about that. (please google these terms and see for yourself.) You will never see a group forming for the sole purpose of stopping Jews from becoming Jewitches!

All of these religions have a very different understanding of who God is but they will tell you that belief in Jesus invalidate a persons Jewishness because they have a different understanding of who God is.

They will accept the Pagan Buddhist and Unitarian influences on Jewish practice but not from Jesus. Some will even admit that Jesus just taught traditional Judaism but wasn’t anything special even though he taught others that he was the Messiah.

Jews can join other religions and still be considered Jews Examples of this are Jewbus (Jewish Buddhists), Jewitches (Pagan or Wiccan Jews) and Donmeh (Muslim Jews. Here are two links of information on Donmeh

http://www.dejanlucic.net/Muslim%20Jew.html

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=438&letter=D

The Donmeh and the followers of Rabbi Schneerson also believe that the Messiah has already come although they don’t believe in the same Messiah as the Messianic Jews they are still considered Jews. The Jewish encyclopedia refers to both of these groups as Jews Since you can practice other religions and still be a Jew you should still be a Jew if you believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

Jews will admit that Christianity started out as a sect of Judaism and that Jesus and all the apostles were Jews. They will also tell you that Jews that are trying to live that life are not Jews. So you know that all the rules are being bent for this one group. It’s just a matter of prejudice.

Someone asked a question about worshiping the Fire God Ferris here on Yahoo. The focus of the question was” …would you PERSONALLY feel comfortable welcoming me not just as a fellow congregant at your Synagogue, but as a member of the Tribe?” (so he was clearly asking about converting to Judaism).

The response was “Reform Judaism covers a wide swath of beliefs and practices and I am sure you will be wholly accepted. … I personally would accept you whole heartily as a fellow Jew.”

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkytTZHdmXLozdjkNyyB2BLty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20080925130239AAcb5lf&show=7#profile-info-f522078ffdf8786fcab6f8023c6befbdaa

Most of the Non messianic Jews debating with the Messianics are trying to curry favor with the more conservative Jews. Many of them are also converts whose conversions would not be recognized in Israel so they are not considered real Jews by other Jews.
Written by ΑΩ about 5 months ago.

As one who has been involved in Messianic Judaism for a long, long time, these consider themselves “Non-Messianic”?

Orthodox Judaism

Judaism, like all modern religions, has struggled to meet the challenge of secularization: the idealization of science, rationalism, industrialization, and materialism. The response of the Orthodox has been to stand by the Hebrew Bible as the revealed word of God and the Talmud as the legitimate oral law. Orthodox Jews feel that they are bound by the traditional rabbinical halakhah, as a way of achieving closeness to God. But within this framework there are great individual differences, with no central authority figure or governing body.

Reform Judaism
The Reform movement, at the other end of the religious spectrum from Orthodoxy, began in nineteenth-century Germany as an attempt to help modern Jews appreciate their religion rather than regarding it as antiquated, meaningless, or even repugnant. In imitation of Christian churches, synagogues were redefined as places for spiritual elevation, with choirs added for effect, and the Sabbath service was shortened and translated into the vernacular. The liturgy was also changed to eliminate references to the hope of return to Zion and animal sacrifices in the Temple. Halakhic observances were re-evaluated for their relevance to modern needs, and Judaism was understood as an evolving, open-ended religion rather than one fixed forever by revealed Torah. [

Conservative Judaism
The liberalization process has also given birth to other groups with intermediate positions. Conservative Judaism is the largest Jewish movement in the United States. While Conservative Jews feel they are totally dedicated to traditional rabbinical Judaism, at the same time they are restating and restructuring it in modern terms so that it is not perceived as a dead historical religion. To appeal to intelligent would-be-believers, Conservative Judaism has sponsored critical studies of Jewish texts from all periods in history. They believe that Jews have always searched and added to their laws, liturgy, Midrash, and beliefs to keep them relevant and meaningful in changing times. Some of the recent changes introduced are acceptance of riding to a synagogue for Sabbath services and acceptance of women into rabbinical schools as candidates for ordination as rabbis.

Reconstructionism
Rabbi Mordecai Kaplan, a highly influential American thinker who died in 1983, branched off from Conservatism (which initially rejected his ideas as too radical), and founded a movement called Reconstructionism. Kaplan held that the Enlightenment had changed everything and that strong measures were needed to preserve Judaism in the face of rationalism. Kaplan asserted that “as long as Jews adhered to the traditional conception of the Torah as supernaturally revealed, they would not be amenable to any constructive adjustment of Judaism that was needed to render it viable in a non-Jewish environment.”…Kaplan created a new prayer book, deleting traditional portions he and others found offensive, such as derogatory references to women and Gentiles, references to physical resurrection of the body, and passages describing God as rewarding or punishing Israel by manipulating natural phenomena such as rain. Women were accepted fully into synagogue participation.

Secular Jewish Humanism
In addition to those who affiliate themselves with a religious movement, there are many Jews who identify themselves as as secular Jews, affirming their Jewish origins and maintaining various Jewish cultural traditions while eschewing religious practice.
Written by vaoynolla about 5 months ago.

All others than Messianic Judaism. If you are of Jewish decent biologically and consider Jesus to be the “Annointed One” then you may refer to yourself as a Completed Jew.

Or, if you are of Jewish decent and/or religion, and don’t consider Jesus the Christ.then you are simply a Reform, Conservative or Orthodox Jew.

I consider myself a Messianic Jew.

As far as a helf million people are concerned, they were born Jewish, found Messiah and are Messianic Jews. As far as I’m concerned the other branches can call themselves what ever they wish. I choose not debate that with them any longer, since knocking someone else’s religion is not my, or their, intention.
Written by ღƸ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒღ about 5 months ago.

“All branches are technically “Messianic” Jews because they’re waiting for a Messiah” so they’ll say. That’s quite a play on words because the only true Messianic Jews believe in Yeshua, which mainline Jews don’t. Guess if you can’t beat them, join them — with the definition “Messianic Jews”.

I think a better term for the traditional Jews would be something else because “Messianic Jews” used by them only complicates things.
Written by ✡mama pajama✡ about 5 months ago.

There is no such thing as any believing or practicing Jew who uses the term since Judaism has never abandoned, changed, or negated God’s prophetic vision of the Davidic messiah and the messianic age.

It is a nonsense term to apply to Judaism.

The Christian religion’s concept of messiah is in their New Testament. It is antithetical to Judaism’s prophetic vision of the Davidic Messiah given in the Jewish Bible, the Tanakh. Christian evangelicals who wish to hijack the identity of Jews must try to negate the Jewish religion’s concept of the Davidic messiah given by God in Torah and throughout Tanakh, therefore, they invented the nonsensical definitions of “Messianic Judaism” to apply to cloaking New Testament replacement theology as Judaism and “Non-Messianic Judaism” to try to NEGATE the Messiah of Judaism.

The lengths that they will go to misinform about Judaism are on glaring display under your question in more than one method as I’m sure you can see for yourself. Now that you know there is no such thing, I hope you’ll not help spread that misinformation.

Words have meanings and topsy turvy twisting to promote claims that the world’s Jewish people they mimic aren’t following Judaism, but that by adhereing to a replacement theology that openly attempts to negate the very core of Torah is actually self-defeating. It’s why an increasing number of their co-religionist evangelical Christians, once they begin to study actual Judaism, are leaving their groups to seek conversion to Judaism. This is something they weren’t expecting ,and one possible reason why I believe their rhetoric has become increasingly antisemitic in nature to discredit Jewish answers and references. They FEAR people exploring on their own as they do not like their methods of deception being exposed. Torah teaches us to question, test and challenge to see what is real and true.
See the references below for their very own Statements of Faith proving they aren’t promoting any form of messianic belief of Judaism if their messiah concept is from the New Testament that contradicts the Tanakh’s.

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